Chief, Sheriff say two departments are not comparable

At Tuesday’s State of the City address, Mayor Ardis announced a new initiative to see what it would take to combine the City and County police departments. This prompted the Journal Star to gather a few basic facts about the two forces:

The city’s Police Department has 214 employees and operates on a $21 million budget; the Sheriff’s Department has roughly 200 employees and operates on a $13 million budget.

A difference of 14 employees and $8 million seemed surprisingly large to me. So I asked Peoria Police Chief Steve Settingsgaard and Peoria County Sheriff Mike McCoy why there is such a disparity.

The first thing Settingsgaard wanted to clear up was that he actually has 248 total employees — the 214 number was the total of “sworn officers.” Even with that said, though, he still felt that a comparison of the two forces is “more apples to oranges than it is apples to apples.”

“[W]ithout a close comparison of both of our agencies, to include operations, budgets, staff, contracts, etc., it is impossible to tell you all the reasons there is a legitimate difference in budget numbers beyond just salaries,” Settingsgaard explained.

I would argue that the Sheriff’s Office and the Peoria Police Department are more dissimilar then they are similar. Yes we both have traditional patrol and traditional law enforcement functions but there are many more facets of what we do that is very different from one another. I don’t speak for the Sheriff and I would be interested to hear his take on it, but I believe the jail and the Court house account for the majority of his staff and his Office’s workload. I would guess that the “policing” part of law enforcement is a smaller part of his overall operation. In my Department, traditional “policing” is the vast majority of what we do and 217 of my 248 people are sworn officers as a result. I would not be surprised if a much higher percentage of my people are sworn versus civilian than what you would find on the County side and sworn staff are more costly.

There are other vast differences in areas of responsibility from crime rates, to total population, to calls for service, to poverty/income levels, etc.

It is critical to understand that I don’t point out these differences to say that one entity is better than the other. For everything I could tell you that I have to do more of, the Sheriff could probably list just as many that his staff is responsible for that I am not. I can’t tell you how many thousands of prisoners I didn’t have to house or feed that the Sheriff did. My point is that the two organizations are very different and a simple comparison of cost per employee borders on meaningless without an understanding of how different an urban municipal police department is from a sheriff’s office, and without drilling down into the level of great detail needed to understand those differences, drawing meaningful conclusions is risky at best.

Sheriff McCoy agreed. “Trying to compare agencies, on a wide level, does not work out. Comparing period …does not work out. We each have some similar functions and we have some unique functions.”

In addition to basic patrol services for 648 square miles and having contracts with nine different communities for police and dispatch services, the Peoria County Sheriff’s Office operates the ONLY Jail in Peoria County, booking in 17,000 people each year. We also serve all the civil papers for the courts as well as provide security for the Peoria Airport.

Nevertheless, McCoy did allow this observation: “In my opinion, cost differences primarily relate to individual pay and benefit packages. Peoria City Officers are paid at a higher rate than Peoria County Deputies, all thru the pay grades. Compounded, these costs become staggering for both agencies.”

And this is why the Peoria police union is not too excited about the prospect of combining forces. The given reason for combining forces is to save money, and clearly no money is going to be saved by bringing both forces up to the same salary level as city officers.

According to another Journal Star report, “A starting police officer who completes a probationary period earns $51,994 annually; a sheriff’s deputy’s starting salary is $43,227.” And there are also different pension programs: “the city’s police pension program is governed through contribution limits set by the General Assembly; sheriff’s deputies are part of the Illinois Municipal Retirement Fund (IMRF).”

Undoubtedly, there can be some savings by eliminating redundancies and finding new efficiencies by working together, but that’s not going to save enough money to get the City out of its structural deficit. When talks turn to salaries, the police union has already made it clear that they will fight to keep the salaries and benefits they’ve won. I don’t envy the Chief or the Sheriff as they take on this consolidation initiative.

58 thoughts on “Chief, Sheriff say two departments are not comparable”

  1. Oh yeah… “contact” is not battery.

    The following elements must be proven to establish a case for battery: (1) an act by a defendant; (2) an INTENT to cause harmful or offensive contact on the part of the defendant; and (3) HARMFUL or OFFENSIVE contact to the plaintiff.

  2. in re: Battery (specifically, a fight)
    “A police officer may choose to charge a person with battery even where that person did not start the fight.

    When this occurs, it is up to the person charged to prove his innocence at trial, because the prosecution has absolute discretion to pick and choose which persons get prosecuted, even if they are innocent.

    The law allows the defendant to assert a defense that he or she was defending himself, defending another person, or even defending one’s property.

    Each of the above defenses is an affirmative defense that would have to be proven by the defendant. The defense would have to present, for example, either witness testimony or surveillance video, to establish the defense.

    Once an affirmative defense has been raised, the prosecution would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the affirmative defense is not true.

    Self-defense will result in a not guilty verdict (an acquittal) where the accused can show that he or she reasonably believed that it was necessary to defend himself from another’s imminent use of unlawful force. This allows one to strike first and still assert that it was self-defense. As long as the defendant can prove it was a reasonable response to a threat, then the jury may acquit the defendant.

    And the kicker:

    Defense of others may occur where a person is protecting a family member, such as a parent defending a child, boyfriend defending a girlfriend, husband protecting his wife, or brother protecting his sister, etc. However, the law does not require a family relationship between two persons to entitle a person to defend another. The two can be unrelated. Nonetheless, the jury is going to want to know why it was necessary to use force to defend another person.”
    http://www.criminallawyerillinois.com/2010/04/18/i-got-arrested-for-battery-what-are-the-penalties-under-illinois-law/

  3. Charlie is impassioned because he knows Denise and Lee. We all get to be impassioned about people for whom we care and have respect. None of our opinions will make any difference to the legal system. Yes, Charlie, does go a little overboard occasionally with name calling. However, some of you have your own ways of being disrespectful and unkind that are just as offensive. In this case, there are no winning or losing arguments. None of us know how this case will turn out. The winning or losing will take place in court, not on this blog. However, District 150 might end up being the real loser if it doesn’t take this case to be a warning that some District 150 students are out of control and a wake-up call that an alternative school is needed.

  4. Charlie, it certainly sounds as though there is real hope for Lee Wenger, doesn’t it? That is, if there is equal justice in this world.

  5. yeah… if he was a city councilman… there is no justice… certainly no equal justice n this society…

    http://www.pjstar.com/news/x118157199/Bank-robber-sentenced-to-12-years-in-prison

    Here Judge Collier sentenced a killer who shoots into a crowd to 7 years (5 and 1/2 years with good behavior) and a homeless guy gets sentenced to 12 years for UNARMED robbery.

    http://www.pjstar.com/news/x118157199/Bank-robber-sentenced-to-12-years-in-prison

    There is nothing but hope for any of us.

    and yes… the other charges against Irving were dropped…

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